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as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this whirling vortex of deep denial and blame, especially those looking to run in 2016. louisiana governor bobby jindal was out at a mike within hours. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. >> well, into which dimension the party is headed still remains very much up for question. let's get right to our panel. here in new york joy reid is the managing editor of thegrio.com. msnbc contributor ari melber is a columnist for "the nation." and in washington msnbc contributor jared bernste
as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this...
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this is no cut on paul ryan. i thought he worked very hard, the best he could. >> bill: absolutely not. >> he had never been elected to statewide office in wisconsin. you saw the results. >> bill: wisconsin -- in hindsight, everybody puts marco rubio on the ticket. in hindsight. you have to. because florida, you lose florida and everybody including you and scott thought florida was going to go to governor romney. you got rubio on the ticket. florida goes. and then you deintensify instead of 71%, scott, you maybe have 65% or 66%. that could have been enough. >> that could have been enough. bill, i think we are missing one part of this. elections are still about fundamentals, the president's job approval was at 50%. that was his share of the vote. his job approval was at auto% because the economy was a little bit better than the day he was elected. that put him in position to be competitive and that's why the matter. >> shepard: looking at the sheet, he won very very small. >> very small. >> but 50% job approval. 5
this is no cut on paul ryan. i thought he worked very hard, the best he could. >> bill: absolutely not. >> he had never been elected to statewide office in wisconsin. you saw the results. >> bill: wisconsin -- in hindsight, everybody puts marco rubio on the ticket. in hindsight. you have to. because florida, you lose florida and everybody including you and scott thought florida was going to go to governor romney. you got rubio on the ticket. florida goes. and then you...
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running mate paul ryan seemed genuinely shocked. ryan's wife jana also was shaken and cried softly. shocked? do they live in a bubble? do they live in an alternate reality where they are right all the time, and they're not attached to actual reality? >> they had the model of the electorate where independents would come their way. and there was a base election. everything they bought into, they didn't see it on election day. also people were not satisfied with president obama backers. even those who were not thrilled for the last four years they came out for the president. >> you followed the campaign. were you surprised? >> i expected it to be closer in the electorate college, but it was a close race. >> cenk: congressman cohen i see politician who is want to win and have overconfidence, but have you seen anything of this magnitude where someone is clearly down in the polls going in and then literally--one adviser said he was shellshocked that he lost. >> that's hard to fathom, but it does show that they live in a bubble. there is that movie "jumpygrumpy old men." this is grumpy old
running mate paul ryan seemed genuinely shocked. ryan's wife jana also was shaken and cried softly. shocked? do they live in a bubble? do they live in an alternate reality where they are right all the time, and they're not attached to actual reality? >> they had the model of the electorate where independents would come their way. and there was a base election. everything they bought into, they didn't see it on election day. also people were not satisfied with president obama backers. even...
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. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes, they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it dwru into -- got into 51%. >> they are going to be dogged by comments like this. it's not inclusive. how. >> we have republicans across the country saying we have to reconnect and connect with people young. dollar this gave them. >> john nichols, great to you have with us tonight. thanks so much. >> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." >> in my own personal experience, it was very important for me to elect young people and encourage people to come and when they come here to give them opportunity to serve. >> 2012 is the year of the woman in congress. tonight north dakota's first female senator heidi highcamp joins me exclues i. >> hons ka'. >> ohio republicans are already trying to defund planned parenthood. state
. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes, they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it dwru into -- got into 51%. >> they are going to be dogged by comments like this. it's not inclusive. how. >> we have republicans across...
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now, that's a big paul ryan line. and this is a fantasy. the fact of the matter is, we have a government in this country that does some things. and most of what mitt romney's objecting to is government. >> was there a racial component here? and i ask that question, because mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans, but president obama can't have a plan for young people or african-americans or hispanics? how else do you read it? >> well, it's the same -- look, paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. and it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion that they've decided to carry on. that they didn't lose because their ideas were bad, day didn't lose because they made mistakes. in fact, in this call, mitt romney complimented his campaign. they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it grew into 51%. >> does it make it harder for the republican party to patch up their image and their vision for the future when they ar
now, that's a big paul ryan line. and this is a fantasy. the fact of the matter is, we have a government in this country that does some things. and most of what mitt romney's objecting to is government. >> was there a racial component here? and i ask that question, because mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans, but president obama can't have a plan for young people or african-americans or hispanics? how else do you read it? >> well, it's the...
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remember that at the republican convention, paul ryan talked about or tried to blame president obama for the closing of the gm plant in janesville. last night, janesville voted for obama and biden over their own hometown candidate. >> isn't that something? >> and the surrounding county voted 60% for obama and biden. >> john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> did the war on women cost the gop the election? president of the national organization for women, terry o'neill, weighs in on that next. >>> then, ballots and bigotry. find out what the republicans need to understand if they want to take back the white house some day. the new political reality and americans' demographics, next. >>> this is what winning feels like. last night, america put a stop to an extreme right-wing agenda. we stopped planned parenthood from being defunded. we stopped roe v. wade from being overturned. we stopped health care reform from being repealed. that's a lot, isn't it? the gop's radical platform was clearly rejected and women had a major hand in making sure the clock on prog
remember that at the republican convention, paul ryan talked about or tried to blame president obama for the closing of the gm plant in janesville. last night, janesville voted for obama and biden over their own hometown candidate. >> isn't that something? >> and the surrounding county voted 60% for obama and biden. >> john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> did the war on women cost the gop the election? president of the national...
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coming up, an actress that dared to announce she was voting for mitt romney and paul ryan. she joins us next. and dave gutfeld debuts his new book, the joy of hate. straight ahead. it'that time of. time for cii price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. buy now. save later. citi price rewind. ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >> no secret the left loaning hollywood machine and the liberal stars were in the bag for the aknowned. but what happens when you are in the industry and you back a republican like mitt romney? she found out by viciously attacking and tweeting the following. can't get too much into 140 characters but
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it's not a knock on paul ryan. he did very well. it's just that the gop needs to send a powerful signal to hispanic voters that the party respects them. >> he thinks it's about signals. he think it's about having a spanish name on the ballot. you don't have to do anything on policy. >> and you don't have to do anything on tone. i think mark got to a really good point. you have this phenomenon happen in the conservative movement where their media culture has taken over their political culture. the left has a media culture too but it doesn't instruct the party how to behave. but people like bill o'reilly and rush limbaugh, they set the tone and the tea party enforces that within the political space. they expect and demand even marco rubio had to be against the dream act. he had to use term like illegals. you have to get up to the edge of top radio speak in order to fit in. just having somebody with an "o" at the end of their name is not going to fix the tone and it's the tone that's turning off latino voters. >> here's the deal. michi
it's not a knock on paul ryan. he did very well. it's just that the gop needs to send a powerful signal to hispanic voters that the party respects them. >> he thinks it's about signals. he think it's about having a spanish name on the ballot. you don't have to do anything on policy. >> and you don't have to do anything on tone. i think mark got to a really good point. you have this phenomenon happen in the conservative movement where their media culture has taken over their...
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they would be well put not to try to cut a deal with obama but to say paul ryan is going to bring forth a solution to the fix, we're going to gather votes for it. i guarantee you you'll have a democratic substitute and if you can get enough republicans to vote for it, terrific. >> if only the americans can see the look of befudslement and confusion when newt gingrich says things like no house republican should be bamboozled into this idea. bamboozled into this idea that the president just won re-election and the senate is still firmly in democratic hands. >> right. what he's basically saying is, to rank and file republicans vote with your district and forget about the phone call that john boehner had with all of you folks saying get in line, we actually have to have a record to run on in 2014. we can't be obstructionists anymore. the american people have spoken in the election, let's do something. newt gingrich, former speaker of the house, failed presidential candidate, giving advice to the republican party, i would advise the republican party to take that with a huge salt lick. >> yea
they would be well put not to try to cut a deal with obama but to say paul ryan is going to bring forth a solution to the fix, we're going to gather votes for it. i guarantee you you'll have a democratic substitute and if you can get enough republicans to vote for it, terrific. >> if only the americans can see the look of befudslement and confusion when newt gingrich says things like no house republican should be bamboozled into this idea. bamboozled into this idea that the president just...
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there's paul ryan. number three, fact checkers. i don't get this one either. number two, the republican party for nominating him. ouch! oh! >> that's good stuff. >>> the fiscal cliff. while the interest groups give president obama room to make a deal? we'll talk with two of them who met with the president today. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. i don't spend money on gasoline. i am probably going to the gas station about once a month. last time i was at a gas station was about...i would say... two months ago. i very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. i go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car. [ male announcer ] and it's not just these owners giving the volt high praise. volt received the j.d. power and associates appeal award two years in a row. ♪ how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader i
there's paul ryan. number three, fact checkers. i don't get this one either. number two, the republican party for nominating him. ouch! oh! >> that's good stuff. >>> the fiscal cliff. while the interest groups give president obama room to make a deal? we'll talk with two of them who met with the president today. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. i don't spend money on gasoline. i am probably going to the gas station about once a month. last time i was...
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remember that at the republican convention, paul ryan talked about or tried to blame president obama for the closing of the gm plant in janesville. last night, janesville voted for obama and biden over their own hometown candidate. >> isn't that something? >> and the surrounding county voted 60% for obama and biden. >> john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> did the war on women cost the gop the election? president of the national organization for women, terry o'neill, weighs in on that next. >>> then, ballots and bigotry. find out what the republicans need to understand if they want to take back the white house some day. the new political reality and americans' demographics, next. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone's ready with the know how we
remember that at the republican convention, paul ryan talked about or tried to blame president obama for the closing of the gm plant in janesville. last night, janesville voted for obama and biden over their own hometown candidate. >> isn't that something? >> and the surrounding county voted 60% for obama and biden. >> john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> did the war on women cost the gop the election? president of the national...
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it was titled the office of the president-elect and featured biographies of mitt romney and paul ryan and pages dedicated to the inauguration and join the administration. it was taken by the way this morning. and "new york times" political statistician nate silver correctly predicted the election outcome in all 50 states. you probably know that by now. now his book that explains how he does it, well, it is selling big-time. the signal and the noise has skyrocketed to number two on amazon's best seller list. like nate silver, the people on "park and recreation" got the election night outcome right. now a guest appearance by vice president joe biden was filmed, and take a look. >> i just remembered, i kind of got you an engagement present? >> is it a waffle tower? >> it's a little better than that. >> how did you do this? >> i called in a few favors. ♪ ♪ hi dad. many years from now, when the subaru is theirs... hey. you missed a spot. ...i'll look back on this day and laugh. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. that was me... the day i learned i had to start insulin for my type
it was titled the office of the president-elect and featured biographies of mitt romney and paul ryan and pages dedicated to the inauguration and join the administration. it was taken by the way this morning. and "new york times" political statistician nate silver correctly predicted the election outcome in all 50 states. you probably know that by now. now his book that explains how he does it, well, it is selling big-time. the signal and the noise has skyrocketed to number two on...
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after all, paul ryan, a tea party favorite, couldn't deliver his own state of wisconsin for his ticket. he will return to his house seat to serve an eighth term. many tea party members kept their house seats as well but they didn't increase their ranks on tuesday, and they lost two very winnable senate races. it's a pretty big contrast to the splash they made in the 2010 midterm elections and the muscle they flexed throughout the prime primaries. here's gary tuchman. >> reporter: this is not the scene most supporters of the tea party envisioned or desired. barack obama was supposed to be a one-term president. >> liberty, yes. obama care, no. liberty, yes. obama care, no. >> reporter: a primary mission of the tea party, get the government out of people's lives. there was even an african-american led chapter in south-central l.a. complete with a sign at one rally that read tea party supports mlk's dream. >> i see today that fidel castro likes obama care but we don't like obama care. doesn't that kind of tell you something? >> reporter: there was a lot of passion but also problems. there
after all, paul ryan, a tea party favorite, couldn't deliver his own state of wisconsin for his ticket. he will return to his house seat to serve an eighth term. many tea party members kept their house seats as well but they didn't increase their ranks on tuesday, and they lost two very winnable senate races. it's a pretty big contrast to the splash they made in the 2010 midterm elections and the muscle they flexed throughout the prime primaries. here's gary tuchman. >> reporter: this is...
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. >> anxious to see the role paul ryan is going to play. republican hand wringing. this sandy business, they've got to stop. is it getting a little absurd? >> they have to think over things. you have two warring camps. mcdonnell was confrontational. people are lining up behind him. what they lack is a leader, a leader who can step up. jeb bush might be able to do it, but there is no leader that can unite these camps. >> democrats, 1988. shameless plug. you first? >> my brother and his wife, my sister-in-law had a new child on election day morning. family is very happy. new nephew. >> very nice, and his name is ballot. >> my shameless plug is for the white house press pool who unfailingly was working hard all through this election. no one saw them. on election day, the call time was 6:00 a.m. they ended at 3:00 a.m. and had three hours sleep the night before. >> never met him. nate silver, "new york times" >> very nice. that's it. got to go. chris jansing, see you. buy. r 2000... r 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing.
. >> anxious to see the role paul ryan is going to play. republican hand wringing. this sandy business, they've got to stop. is it getting a little absurd? >> they have to think over things. you have two warring camps. mcdonnell was confrontational. people are lining up behind him. what they lack is a leader, a leader who can step up. jeb bush might be able to do it, but there is no leader that can unite these camps. >> democrats, 1988. shameless plug. you first? >> my...
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paul ryan. certainly as a vp nominee. bobby jindal. certainly if chris christie wins re-election he would be in that pack. biden or hillary? my money is on hillary. >> i don't know. i'm a biden fan and hillary fan. i'm going to wait at least for a little while. >> greta? >> keep your eye on governor susana martinez. out of new mexico. she's a republican in a democratic state. she handled their deficit problem. she was against -- she came out against something that governor romney said, the self-deportation, so she was on the outs a little bit with republicans. i would keep an eye on her over senator rubio. because she's governor. >> speaking as a journalist i'm a biden man. i like joe, he provides great copy. on the republican side, if george jeb bush runs he has to be the favorite. >>> thank you very much. thank you all, fantastic roundtable. congressman schock will be answering the questions you have on twitter. look for that on abcnews.com/thisweek later today. >>> on this veterans day, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sa
paul ryan. certainly as a vp nominee. bobby jindal. certainly if chris christie wins re-election he would be in that pack. biden or hillary? my money is on hillary. >> i don't know. i'm a biden fan and hillary fan. i'm going to wait at least for a little while. >> greta? >> keep your eye on governor susana martinez. out of new mexico. she's a republican in a democratic state. she handled their deficit problem. she was against -- she came out against something that governor...
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he's ahead of paul ryan right now. >> all right, guys. sit tight. perry, i want to ask you about something you wrote on the other side of this break. we're going to have much or on the race. quick break here on msnbc. don't go anywhere. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone's ready with the know how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪ military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings a
he's ahead of paul ryan right now. >> all right, guys. sit tight. perry, i want to ask you about something you wrote on the other side of this break. we're going to have much or on the race. quick break here on msnbc. don't go anywhere. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's...
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i mean, paul ryan thought of as young but he's 42. that's eight years shy of being a card-carrying member of the aarp. ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job. that is until reagan's famous equip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> love that. yes, reagan used age to his advantage, but how old is too old? remember senator strom thurmond who commuted from walter reed to the capital in a wheelchair at the age of 100? his aides had to vote for him. of course, this argument isn't limited to the world of politics. ageism or some say common sense rages in the real world, too. how often have you heard those under 30 grumbling about the old guys sucking up all the jobs? talkback question today. should politicians have a mandatory retirement age? facebook.com/carol cnn. your comments later this hour. >>> a walmart walkout with black friday just around the corner, workers a
i mean, paul ryan thought of as young but he's 42. that's eight years shy of being a card-carrying member of the aarp. ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job. that is until reagan's famous equip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> love that. yes, reagan used age to his advantage, but how old is too old?...
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. >> paul ryan, the republican vice presidential running mate also speaking out. i'm going to play a clip of what he told one of our local milwaukee tv affiliates. >> when we saw the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas which were really fairly unprecedented, it did come as a bit of a shock. those are the tough kind of losses to have, the ones that catch you by surprise. >> unprecedented turnout in urban areas. is that another way of saying what romney said? >> it's a different version. and of course paul ryan in his speeches often made the argument about makers versus takers and whether there's a tipping point in effect where the people dependent on government outvote those who pay taxes. look, republicans face a choice here. mitt romney as i said just kind of maxed out on white voters and still lost 332 electoral college votes. the overwhelming evidence, wolf, is that unless they expand thei width, they're facing kind of a hill. democrats won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. it's not a coincidence. this coalition, as
. >> paul ryan, the republican vice presidential running mate also speaking out. i'm going to play a clip of what he told one of our local milwaukee tv affiliates. >> when we saw the kind of turnout that was occurring in urban areas which were really fairly unprecedented, it did come as a bit of a shock. those are the tough kind of losses to have, the ones that catch you by surprise. >> unprecedented turnout in urban areas. is that another way of saying what romney said?...
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the next president of the united states, paul ryan. >> reporter: we learned today that florida's marco rubio will coincidentally be highlighting a party and don't be surprised if you see bobby jindal take a ski trip to new hampshire. and, of course, there are others. so many others. it's never too early to dream. there are still a great many twists and turns and unknowns, but one thing about 2016 seems fairly certain. they'll still be counting ballots in florida from this time. john berman, cnn, new york. >>> let's talk about all of this right now joining us rick spangle, our corporate sibling out there. great new issue, rick. you have a lot of buzz. would you call the class of 2016 yet a "time" photographer take some shots and portraits of potential candidates. let's talk about the buzz matchup for 2016. hillary clinton and jeb bush. look at those portraits. very nice portraits. >> yes, indeed. and, of course, neither person has declared, wolf, and the political class, folks like you and me and political consultants all, you know, wake up the day after election day thinking about 2016
the next president of the united states, paul ryan. >> reporter: we learned today that florida's marco rubio will coincidentally be highlighting a party and don't be surprised if you see bobby jindal take a ski trip to new hampshire. and, of course, there are others. so many others. it's never too early to dream. there are still a great many twists and turns and unknowns, but one thing about 2016 seems fairly certain. they'll still be counting ballots in florida from this time. john...
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number four, this guy right here, that guy, there's paul ryan. hey, buddy. number two, the republican party for nominating him. ouch. ouch. oh. oh. what a scorcher. look out. and the number one mitt romney scapegoat, shirtless fbi agent, uh had-oh. >> disturbing. joining us now the most counter intuitive -- >> what's going on? i take offense to that. >> i took the brunt of that, i think. >> you don't know who we're talking about. >> exactly. >> don't you take a shot, brad. >> exactly. >> we are talking about chris christie. you're the only republican around here. >> the governor and i are going to organize. joining us now the republican governor of new jersey, governor chris christie, and president of the american federation of teachers randy weingarten and bradley cooper. >> yeah. thank you to letting me stick around. >> great movie, by the way. have you seen it? >> i was watching it. >> looks fantastic. >> today the governor and the teachers union will announce a landmark contract offering merit pay bonuses to the teachers of newark so we can now, the thre
number four, this guy right here, that guy, there's paul ryan. hey, buddy. number two, the republican party for nominating him. ouch. ouch. oh. oh. what a scorcher. look out. and the number one mitt romney scapegoat, shirtless fbi agent, uh had-oh. >> disturbing. joining us now the most counter intuitive -- >> what's going on? i take offense to that. >> i took the brunt of that, i think. >> you don't know who we're talking about. >> exactly. >> don't you take...
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he gave that up when he chose paul ryan. he should have said i'm the business guy. the governor. i'm going to choose another person from outside washington. we're going to ride in on a white horse and we fix the whole place. he didn't do that. he couldn't do that because he had to get stuck into all the budget questions that his veep choice had posed. those three things, we can talk about the small things, should he have said this, that or the other, if you're not a reformed candidate, you think hatred's going to be enough and you're relying on the economy, it's not going to be enough to carry you over the line. >>> power is out to additional homes in the northeast as a powerful nor'easter dumps snow and rain on a region that's only started to recover. today's several inches of wet snow are threatening to topple already weakened trees. there's also renewed headaches for millions of commuters as bus and train service grinds to a crawl. hundreds of flights also kept at the gates at the airports as well. let's go to nbc meteorologist bill karins for a look at what is unfolding now.
he gave that up when he chose paul ryan. he should have said i'm the business guy. the governor. i'm going to choose another person from outside washington. we're going to ride in on a white horse and we fix the whole place. he didn't do that. he couldn't do that because he had to get stuck into all the budget questions that his veep choice had posed. those three things, we can talk about the small things, should he have said this, that or the other, if you're not a reformed candidate, you...